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人形机器人正在接管世界
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至少
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从这个周末的事件来看你会这么想象
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今天来自中国的这些武术舞动人形机器人视频
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我们将进行四个微型辩论
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人形机器人是
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被过度吹捧了
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它们是被低估了吗中美对比
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通用人形机器人与专用机器人技术性失业与
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我们所有人都将拥有未来的好工作
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尼克
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你今天早上和我谈话时显得相当末日论
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你此刻在想什么
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是的
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我周末一直在研究AI末日论
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尤其是看了机器人打功夫的视频后
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我认为你越来越清楚
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人形机器人是否存在潜在可能
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我们在软件和AI代理中看到的乐观案例
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正演变为对社会的悲观案例
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我认为是的
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这是个愚蠢的观点
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所以像
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让我们先探讨技术性失业这个概念
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我暂且忽略
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萨姆的谨慎框架
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技术性失业的概念是
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当一种新技术工具进入市场
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为人类提供特定功能
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因此该领域所有从业者基本被取代
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他们将进入
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你知道的
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不得不去农场无所事事
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坐在摇椅上
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因为他们已无事可做
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每次技术变革时人们都在争论这会发生
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但历史案例显示
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当我们拆解分析
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事实并非如此
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给你一个常见的
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实际上
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更近期的例子
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我刚查到的
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嘿
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我们从无人随身携带相机
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到随时随地携带专业级相机
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因此专业摄影师
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应该坐在街角乞讨
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乞讨食物
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因为我们都可以成为专业摄影师
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现在
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我的iPhone上开启了人像模式
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我可以拍摄专业级人像照片
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事实证明
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从2010年至今
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美国专业摄影师数量增加了三分之一
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专业摄影师的数量
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因此智能手机的普及
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摄影技术的惊人进步并未导致失业
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反而增加了专业摄影服务需求
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我认为在编码代理方面
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并不会
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削弱
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掌握编程知识的实用性
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拥有优秀机器人也不会
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削弱设计和制造产品的能力价值
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只会意味着我们能生产更多
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所以我认为我们会叠加
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我在这里补充一点
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尼克
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你错了
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这甚至让布莱特都感到惊讶
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有人评论了你的观点
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并说
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哦不过
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难道不是因为社交媒体吗
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确实如此
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但社交媒体的存在正是因为
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我们都有相机
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难以想象AI会强大到
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完全取代这些人
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然后却无法被所有人用于其他用途
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或许更有说服力的论点是
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AI集中化权力可能不同
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但技术性失业论显得站不住脚
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解释清楚
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保持乐观
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什么什么
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为什么
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你为什么难过
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嗯
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我认为可以从两种角度讨论
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一种是人类全程参与
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但若看人形机器人案例
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完全移除了人类参与
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即使在AI代理或理想案例中
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尤其是通用人工智能
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完全脱离人类参与
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哦
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我有一个使用AI来提高税务效率的会计师
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这不是我的AI或我的会计师是AI
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这不仅仅
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我每年都要手动提示AI来做我的税务
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它只是在后台默默运行
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收集所有这些信息
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到了年底我的税务就自动完成了
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这怎么能不导致大量就业岗位流失
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比重新培训的速度还要快
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尤其是看看这段视频
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有人形机器人在空中飞行
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执行各种专业技能
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然后就会出现大规模白领裁员
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或者接下来如何重新培训这些劳动力
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等等
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等等
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这些白领裁员从何而来
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你只是在说这会发生
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这种白领裁员是你凭空想象的
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这是你在主张会发生的事
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如果你拥有
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如果像我描述的那样拥有完全通用AI
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我并不
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我不会百分之百
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你在发明一种技术
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人类完全脱离控制
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它能完成所有事情
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我们无法做额外的事
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因为我能覆盖所有需求
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而在大多数专业领域
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你能做到吗
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你可能无法想象一个世界
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AI完全能替代人类今日的工作
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无需人类干预
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是的
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答案是肯定的
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好的
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嗯
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让我们用这个话题转入
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必须有人开启开关
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你必须
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你必须
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说稀缺的计算资源
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我要投入某个领域
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必须有人分配
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有点像
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我该将资源投向哪里
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因此有一项Citrini研究指出
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你知道的
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基本上是技术进步
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这就像代理的成本
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降至电力成本
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现在运行代理的成本极高
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计算资源供应极其有限
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我们都在同时运行以让它们完成这些任务
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嗯
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在他们的研究中
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这种
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他们出错的方式
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他们就像
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你知道的
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这些事物极其盈利且高效
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但缺少对底层劳动力的转化
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嗯
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如果它们极其高效
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意味着有人需要积累资源
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然后他们会利用这些资源
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不会闲置不用
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看看马斯克的行为
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他总在濒临资金耗尽的边缘
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因为他不断将数十亿资金投入
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就像游戏的下一阶段
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所以认为我们会满足于
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这就是我们目前的成果
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因此不会继续投资更多计算能力以
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驱动更多代理完成更多任务
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来构建所需的额外计算能力以实现再部署
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需要构建额外计算能力
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必须有人建造数据中心
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必须有人协调电力供应
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这些都需要人力时间和关注
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即使运行自动执行任务的机器人
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仍需进行指挥调度
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洽谈后端合同
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获取特定所需的资源
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不存在这样的宇宙
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或许存在某个宇宙
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但没有不需要持续协调基础资源的星系
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必须持续协调分配的资源功能
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以实现所有人指向的未来愿景
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这将完全消除人类需求
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这引出下一个问题
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是否需要人类参与
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还是人形机器人
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是否被过度炒作
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或者它们被高估了
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顺便说一下
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尼克真的很想站在反人工智能阵营
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因为他预测会出现社会动荡
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当他们开始针对民众
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那些支持人工智能的贵族阶层
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他不想被送上法庭
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呃
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引发俄国革命
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但我需要保持平衡
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拿这里
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有些剧集充满末日论调
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有些剧集充满乐观主义
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要么被过度吹捧要么被低估
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我要反过来问你
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我认为这些功夫打斗机器人
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作为类人机器人通用能力的象征是被高估的
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也就是脱离实际语境
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它们会跌倒在地上乱滚
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我几乎可以肯定
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但你的看法呢
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山姆 是的
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这就是我的观点
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这常常颠覆人们的认知
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它们其实被低估了
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如果我们展望十年后
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我认为它们被高估了
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如果我们看未来三年
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我认为这很明确
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我只是从
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公司创业的角度来看 这同样发生在电动汽车领域
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你知道中国涌现了许多相关公司
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我估计有三百多家
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你可以看看
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确实存在
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我不确定
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或许有十二万台这类人形机器人 主要用于广告
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即使在周末发布的所有视频中
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听起来这并非真实演示
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这本质上是超级碗中场秀
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他们花了十四万美元制作机器人舞蹈广告
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以便随后上市融资
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因为他们需要持续研发以实现目标
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因此这些机器人完全取代人类
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在未来几年内完全被高估了
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但最终解决方案和目标状态很明确
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那就是更多数据
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更多计算力带来惊人成果
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以极其深远的方式实现这一点毫无障碍
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与机器人
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我认为中国的视频确实
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它们所体现的
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是中国供应链在这些零部件上的质量
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而机械传动系统确实令人惊叹
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你可以回溯十年看看波士顿动力机器人的视频
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比如跳跃翻滚各种动作
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当时我们得出结论
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哦
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显然它能够做到
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你知道的
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如今已经能完成令人惊叹的手动操作
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但这些类似协调的
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准提线木偶式的
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现在
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操控技术已更上一层楼
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但仍是非常受控的体能展示
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忽略
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就我们的估算而言
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开发人形机器人的难度
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通用型
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人形机器人的难度是自动驾驶出租车的2000万倍
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但容错率高100倍
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因此整体难度是自动驾驶出租车的20万倍
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再回溯十年你会感叹
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自动驾驶出租车即将实现
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你知道的
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Waymo如今已在街道上运行
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显然这将立即商业化
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现在我们已处于临界点
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认为即将规模化商业化
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而今年
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因此我认为人形机器人领域
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十年前的自动驾驶出租车
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通过投入大量资源
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将AI计算力投入
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在一定程度上解决软件问题
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而中国拥有最大的供应链显然有帮助
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你知道的
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中国公司至少在该领域有竞争力
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但我确实认为
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你知道的
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为自己购买一台机器人并让它为你做事
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你就能更清楚其能力
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但这并不意味着何时部署资本
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在整合阶段
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可能是最佳投资时机
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只要能选对赢家
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因为这是优胜劣汰的关键时期
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但 Brett
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你提到中国在制造方面极为出色
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迷你辩论三:尼克vs中国
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这适用于人形机器人
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开源模型谁将赢得未来
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根据你展示的视频,中国
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但如果你相信马斯克
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那么奥图斯和特斯拉应长期胜出
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比如我对萨姆很感兴趣
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你说三年内不会相信
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人形机器人将具备实际意义
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但我确定马斯克在推特上回复过凯西
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引用她的一条观点到2029年
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将对经济产生深远影响
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这里明显存在分歧
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嗯
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我不知如何调和这些观点
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这很有趣
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你将其框定为中美对决
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没错
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这是一个很好的
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有没有
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美国还有其他人
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我说
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这是你的领域
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所以你知道
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别问我
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当然还有其他公司
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呃
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我认为所有AI实验室都会投入此领域
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因为最终需脱离电脑进入现实世界
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但布雷特
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你的看法如何
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中国拥有智能手机制造供应链
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但这并不意味着掌控智能手机经济
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所以这里
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情况稍有不同
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因为你知道
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我认为机械执行部分影响数据获取能力
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以及训练机器人所需底层模型的能力
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可以认为汽车问题相对简单
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传感器固定在路面高度
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你知道相对
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比如
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输入信号非常简单
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比如
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油门刹车左右转向
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比如
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这非常基础
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我们仍在此领域挣扎
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传感器已发生变化
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基于机器人全身机械执行的动作
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你拥有
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你知道数量级之差
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可能更多到你需要的执行器和控制数量
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因此制造能力与软件问题解决能力之间可能更紧密耦合
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解决软件问题的能力
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我认为这可能进一步向上层架构发展
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将电力输送到需要训练芯片的设备
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这种软件显然是明显的瓶颈
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尤其是在美国
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因为人们正挡在试图建造数据中心的推土机前
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因为他们错误地认为水资源
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资源限制会导致缺水
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因为数据中心会消耗所有水资源
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所以
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有很多理由相信中国在此新兴趋势中占据有利位置
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暂且不谈
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他们无法获得英伟达最先进芯片的事实
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所以
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这就是当前形势
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从哲学角度
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我认为
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需要鼓励冒险并允许人们做出巨大
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你知道
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个人突破基于风险承担
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人们承担此类个人风险
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而美国及西方市场通过有限责任公司制度
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让人们承担巨大风险
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并获得回报
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如果这些风险成功
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因此我认为这将有利于美国
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这在中国是否成立
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这在我们的头脑风暴中被描述为
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假设中国有十余家人形机器人公司
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各省各有三百家
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几乎像锦标赛一样
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全国冠军即将诞生
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因此三百家公司都在争夺榜首
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尽管文化可能不同
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这似乎更具竞争性
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但存在三百家公司是因为竞争环境已扭曲
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每家公司可能有自己的地方冠军
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由政府资金支持
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因此全国冠军并非取决于
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谁找到精准的产品市场匹配
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而是谁能有效整合国家资源
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因此奖励的行动类型与
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创造最具竞争力的全球产品
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正如特斯拉的例子
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那为什么他们能造出最佳电动汽车
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嗯
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这是个好问题
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我的意思是,有多少补贴投入到了电动汽车中
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而当它们
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国内市场逐渐崩溃时
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又试图向欧洲和其他地区销售
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或许游戏规则已经改变
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我的意思是可能存在着
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你知道市场驱动因素已经到位
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足以让胜者脱颖而出
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但我觉得仍需观察
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山姆
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机器人领域有国际标准和基准吗
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比如
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类似于我们评估大型语言模型的方式
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可以比较中国与美国的机器人技术
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不是这个意思
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我的意思是人们会尝试比较
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我说我们仍处于早期阶段
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你看到它们能做功夫和跳舞的原因是
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因为它们目前只能做这些事情
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但这并不意味着以游戏和娱乐开始的事
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比如
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这通常是颠覆性创新的途径
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人们会将其视为无用
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哦
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这很有趣
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下一刻就开始跳舞
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你知道吗,它能自主造车
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但我认为我们仍处于早期阶段
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这些领域还没有明确的基准
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是的
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是的
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我认为这也存在危险,就像
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你提到电动汽车行业
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中国将面临年同比需求
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电动汽车销量
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嗯
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消费者购买量下降
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看起来
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嗯
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这条供应链建立在该基础上
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因此我不禁思考这些影响
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这些实体试图在中国以外销售
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低于
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生产成本
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可能会像乒乓球一样影响人形机器人发展
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如果你因制造能功夫舞的机器人获得奖励
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最终会出现300家生产此类机器人的公司
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你可能最终得不到任何能做更多事情的公司
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这就是所谓的最坏情况
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这有点像是在奖励某种行为
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这显得有点炫耀
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这不是真正的现实
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我们正在寻找真正有效的产品
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我惊讶居然只有
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这类产品大约有四万只
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你知道的
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已经进入市场的机器狗
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你本以为人们能找到这些的好用途
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但至今没有任何需求激增的表现
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你在说功夫比洗衣服还简单吗
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我觉得洗衣服的视频更能吸引人
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尼克,事情是这样的
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我不确定
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你洗衣服叠衣服有多熟练
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不太行
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所以我很努力
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大概就是这样
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这说得通
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但不止于此
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其实有点
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呃
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我觉得人们看到事物时会想,对我而言
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这会是一件很难的事
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因此我认为这肯定很难
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但这忽略了大量内容
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对机器人来说其实非常困难
478
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你却能完全自然轻松做到
479
00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:51,730
这可能还涉及到推理能力
480
00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:53,759
比如东西从桌上掉下来
481
00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:54,519
它在哪里
482
00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:56,490
应该在哪里捡起它
483
00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:57,049
你知道的
484
00:19:57,049 --> 00:19:58,049
我们很清楚
485
00:19:58,049 --> 00:19:58,890
在桌子下面
486
00:19:58,890 --> 00:20:00,089
如果不在桌子下
487
00:20:00,089 --> 00:20:01,170
可能滑到地毯下
488
00:20:01,170 --> 00:20:01,849
或者
489
00:20:01,849 --> 00:20:02,950
所以啊
490
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:10,500
我认为它们的软件限制比我们能理解的更严重
491
00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:15,190
因为我们处理和直觉相关的思考
492
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:17,269
完全成为本能
493
00:20:17,269 --> 00:20:21,109
对它们来说这可能更具挑战性
494
00:20:21,109 --> 00:20:21,630
是的
495
00:20:21,630 --> 00:20:22,069
好的
496
00:20:22,069 --> 00:20:22,269
布莱特
497
00:20:22,269 --> 00:20:22,910
你提到
498
00:20:22,910 --> 00:20:27,109
可能已售出四万只机器狗
499
00:20:27,109 --> 00:20:27,950
同样地
500
00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:34,470
工业机器人可以追溯到1960年机械臂的诞生
501
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:42,249
本质上已有约七百万台,其中约五十余万台在2024年
502
00:20:42,249 --> 00:20:44,989
所以近期需求显著
503
00:20:44,989 --> 00:20:48,509
当然可以销售更多
504
00:20:48,509 --> 00:20:49,368
但并未如此
505
00:20:49,368 --> 00:20:51,319
因此问题在于
506
00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:51,980
你知道的
507
00:20:51,980 --> 00:20:53,319
人形机器人是关键吗
508
00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:55,539
还是通用性
509
00:20:55,539 --> 00:20:56,160
你知道的
510
00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,470
基于软件的机器人技术能否开拓这一市场
511
00:21:00,470 --> 00:21:04,470
或者专用机器人领域也会迎来增长
512
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:06,949
这两者之间的动态关系如何
513
00:21:07,229 --> 00:21:09,429
我认为人形机器人能提供良好的
514
00:21:09,429 --> 00:21:12,709
人形机器人将提升专用机器人的需求
515
00:21:12,709 --> 00:21:14,828
但有人向我们分享了一个轶事
516
00:21:14,828 --> 00:21:15,849
他们拥有
517
00:21:17,089 --> 00:21:20,599
据称这是人形机器人成功应用的案例
518
00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:22,819
其中3D打印机生产部件
519
00:21:22,819 --> 00:21:26,000
而人形机器人只需取下多余材料
520
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,920
并传递给下一环节
521
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,519
从而提升3D打印机的实用性
522
00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,019
这仅因具备人体工学形态
523
00:21:32,019 --> 00:21:35,720
能够伸手取件
524
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,240
如同连接专用机器人的纽带
525
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,359
可使每台专用机器人更易安装
526
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,299
且效果更佳无需
527
00:21:47,299 --> 00:21:49,740
现在我需要设计整个定制化自动化流程
528
00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:52,420
在使用两台专用机器人之间
529
00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:53,500
若不这样做
530
00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,180
则无法实现所需的投资回报
531
00:21:55,180 --> 00:22:00,829
专用机器人显然随着AI能力提升
532
00:22:00,829 --> 00:22:04,309
加上制造专用部件成本降低
533
00:22:05,369 --> 00:22:08,150
两者结合应会推动
534
00:22:08,150 --> 00:22:09,089
引发拐点
535
00:22:09,089 --> 00:22:14,819
专用机器人普及率提升并提供人形机器人可生产的实用功能
536
00:22:14,819 --> 00:22:17,170
在整个价值链中
537
00:22:17,289 --> 00:22:18,450
上周
538
00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:22,519
我们征集了观众提问
539
00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,460
收到两个优秀问题
540
00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:26,259
首先回答第一个
541
00:22:26,259 --> 00:22:28,710
然后解答第二个
542
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:29,470
这个问题
543
00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:32,339
我认为大家更感兴趣
544
00:22:32,339 --> 00:22:35,640
但第一个问题是
545
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,140
今年SpaceX与特斯拉合并或准合并的可能性有多大
546
00:22:42,779 --> 00:22:44,299
Sam你来回答
547
00:22:44,299 --> 00:22:45,220
可能性如何
548
00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:46,359
我必须回答这个问题
549
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,660
我认为今年的水平相当低
550
00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:53,559
长远来看可能会增长
551
00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:55,470
我认为要显著得多
552
00:22:55,470 --> 00:22:58,230
我认为特斯拉正在研发芯片
553
00:22:58,230 --> 00:23:01,819
但这些可能在未来几年内无法应用
554
00:23:01,819 --> 00:23:06,359
我也认为有很多理由让特斯拉升值
555
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,359
并认可其自动驾驶出租车能力
556
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,839
在尝试换股之前
557
00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:16,210
提前这样做几乎会损害特斯拉股东利益
558
00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:20,170
因为会导致更大程度的股权稀释
559
00:23:20,529 --> 00:23:20,930
是的
560
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:21,329
我同意
561
00:23:21,329 --> 00:23:22,109
我认为嗯
562
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:24,069
二十七或之后是
563
00:23:24,069 --> 00:23:25,589
我猜
564
00:23:25,589 --> 00:23:26,210
嗯
565
00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:27,269
二十七年末
566
00:23:27,269 --> 00:23:28,109
二十八年初
567
00:23:28,109 --> 00:23:29,869
如果我必须确定一个时间点
568
00:23:29,869 --> 00:23:31,700
它肯定会发生的
569
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:33,680
接下来的问题可以由Brett回答
570
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,759
在不喝酒的情况下完成一集
571
00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:38,779
他好像刚从沙漠回来
572
00:23:39,109 --> 00:23:39,750
我做到了
573
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:40,990
我甚至没注意到
574
00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:43,109
我很高兴有人发现了
575
00:23:43,109 --> 00:23:43,670
我完全没有
576
00:23:43,670 --> 00:23:43,910
我没有
577
00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:44,869
我也没注意到
578
00:23:44,869 --> 00:23:46,410
直到看到评论后
579
00:23:46,410 --> 00:23:46,910
但确实
580
00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:48,019
这挺有趣的
581
00:23:48,019 --> 00:23:48,500
嗯
582
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:49,480
通常我喝咖啡
583
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,690
我需要它来保持键盘输入
584
00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:54,089
这就是Sam的问题
585
00:23:54,089 --> 00:23:58,160
回到特斯拉和SpaceX之前
586
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,819
你认为时间线会加速吗
587
00:24:00,819 --> 00:24:05,240
如果特斯拉汽车销量持续下滑
588
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,640
我认为它仍然
589
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,559
我认为自动驾驶出租车更需展示价值
590
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:13,200
是的
591
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:13,799
是的
592
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:17,099
我认为特斯拉不依赖销量
593
00:24:17,099 --> 00:24:18,500
我意思是销量很重要
594
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,869
作为模型的输入要素
595
00:24:21,869 --> 00:24:24,789
但他们拥有大量资产
596
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:27,529
现有生产率基本持平
597
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:32,219
仍能产生巨大的现金流
598
00:24:32,219 --> 00:24:34,259
一旦开始运营自动驾驶出租车
599
00:24:34,259 --> 00:24:35,058
这就像
600
00:24:35,058 --> 00:24:36,159
你知道的
601
00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:38,450
这真的可能非常出色
602
00:24:39,569 --> 00:24:42,808
现在通过新定价推出第十四版在网域
603
00:24:42,808 --> 00:24:44,509
电动皮卡非常有吸引力
604
00:24:44,509 --> 00:24:45,009
我只是
605
00:24:45,009 --> 00:24:45,709
我当时就像
606
00:24:45,709 --> 00:24:47,108
这确实很有吸引力
607
00:24:47,108 --> 00:24:48,220
是的
608
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,880
所以第十四版而且它很好
609
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,299
当时是
610
00:24:51,299 --> 00:24:51,880
太棒了
611
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,819
我开始陷入关于
612
00:24:53,819 --> 00:24:56,138
周末在AI末日中达到顶峰
613
00:24:56,138 --> 00:24:56,659
因为我就像
614
00:24:56,659 --> 00:24:58,699
我们接下来将无事可做
615
00:24:58,699 --> 00:24:59,858
你在说什么呢
616
00:24:59,858 --> 00:25:01,519
你将能观看Netflix
617
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:02,019
是的
618
00:25:02,019 --> 00:25:04,720
这确实是一种娱乐方式
619
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,720
这可能是所有情况中的最佳位置
620
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,819
并制作那部Netflix内容
621
00:25:09,819 --> 00:25:12,500
有人必须让AI代理负责
622
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:13,279
比如进行制作
623
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:14,660
所以尼克
624
00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:14,900
你知道的
625
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:17,380
按照你的逻辑娱乐只有价值
626
00:25:17,380 --> 00:25:18,980
如果能针对它做广告
627
00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:20,380
而广告本身毫无价值
628
00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:23,670
如果观看者没有钱投放广告
629
00:25:23,670 --> 00:25:24,410
就是他们
630
00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:24,930
相信我
631
00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:26,230
我这周末就在那里
632
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:29,250
我不想再陷入那种肯定的死亡循环
633
00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:29,789
我喜欢
634
00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:31,789
我认为这是真实的可能性
635
00:25:32,410 --> 00:25:32,930
好的
636
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:36,609
名义GDP不可能以个位数高增长
637
00:25:36,609 --> 00:25:38,490
这不会不导致人们觉得
638
00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:38,650
哇
639
00:25:38,650 --> 00:25:39,650
我有很多钱可花
640
00:25:39,650 --> 00:25:41,279
我要花在某些东西上
641
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:41,680
是的
642
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,160
但成为向我们提供它的公司
643
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,039
以全民基本收入形式
644
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:46,880
我的意思是
645
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,539
我们都持有公司股份
646
00:25:48,539 --> 00:25:50,640
我们都为公司工作
647
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,680
而他们
648
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,539
你知道会支付部分员工
649
00:25:53,539 --> 00:25:55,029
而且很好
650
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:56,329
然后你将为自己工作
651
00:25:56,329 --> 00:25:57,509
我说的是
652
00:25:57,509 --> 00:25:58,109
我会说
653
00:25:58,109 --> 00:26:04,630
我认为学生债务问题是一个
654
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:05,109
很可能
655
00:26:05,109 --> 00:26:06,949
导致社会动荡的原因
656
00:26:06,949 --> 00:26:07,388
就像
657
00:26:07,388 --> 00:26:10,249
我认为这就像入门级
658
00:26:10,249 --> 00:26:12,788
职位要求在不断增加
659
00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:18,970
现在你需要提供比以往更多价值,因为AI的作用
660
00:26:18,970 --> 00:26:23,250
同时我认为教育和高等教育
661
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:24,690
成功抑制了通货膨胀
662
00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:29,308
并越来越容易无需真正提供价值就能生存
663
00:26:29,308 --> 00:26:30,909
因此出现了日益扩大的差距
664
00:26:30,909 --> 00:26:33,808
同时有一群人被误导
665
00:26:33,808 --> 00:26:35,609
只要按时出现
666
00:26:35,609 --> 00:26:37,990
一切都会顺利,但这并不真实
667
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:41,839
现在他们背负了15万美元债务
668
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:42,500
是的
669
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:43,119
完全正确
670
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,680
如果你能达到一个点
671
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,369
让提示代码或Claude为你完成某事更容易
672
00:26:49,369 --> 00:26:53,269
那么刚毕业的人更容易被提示
673
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:57,400
你将面临需要解决的问题
674
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,440
因为会出现失业缺口
675
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,579
正如你描述的萨姆年轻人口
676
00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:06,449
被灌输毕业后就能找到工作的梦想
677
00:27:06,449 --> 00:27:07,929
他们背负巨额债务
678
00:27:07,929 --> 00:27:11,319
这是最后一批人群
679
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,980
你希望日常生活中无所事事
680
00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:16,720
没错
681
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,730
被推迟的梦想会怎样
682
00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:20,009
是否会干涸
683
00:27:20,009 --> 00:27:21,618
还是会爆发 好的
684
00:27:21,618 --> 00:27:23,159
我们下周再见
685
00:27:23,159 --> 00:27:24,199
我们应该
686
00:27:24,199 --> 00:27:29,170
我们应该请凯西深入讨论这场宏观经济动荡
687
00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:29,789
提问
688
00:27:29,789 --> 00:27:31,029
提出更多好问题
689
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:32,880
我们将尽力回答
690
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,460
Arc投资管理有限责任公司是SEC
691
00:27:35,460 --> 00:27:37,019
注册投资顾问
692
00:27:37,019 --> 00:27:40,319
Arc金融与公共公司是独立实体
693
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,960
彼此无关联
694
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,109
不涉及任何公司
695
00:27:47,109 --> 00:27:50,880
营销或销售对方产品或服务
696
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,660
明确不承担任何责任或义务
697
00:27:55,660 --> 00:27:59,049
或损失或损害
698
00:27:59,049 --> 00:27:59,730
高管
699
00:27:59,730 --> 00:28:01,179
员工或代理人
700
00:28:01,179 --> 00:28:03,659
任何公司均不对由此产生的间接
701
00:28:03,659 --> 00:28:04,118
附带
702
00:28:04,118 --> 00:28:07,138
后果性或特殊损害承担责任
703
00:28:07,138 --> 00:28:10,089
或与本播客及其内容相关
704
00:28:13,849 --> 00:28:17,210
不应作为投资决策的依据
705
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:19,680
且可能随时变更
706
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,160
不构成明示或暗示
707
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,970
艺术提供任何服务或产品的承诺
708
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:32,920
投资者应自行判断特定投资管理服务是否符合其需求
709
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,920
关于公司或证券的所有陈述均为Arc的个人观点
710
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,680
或节目嘉宾
711
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:45,318
并不代表Arc对任何公司或证券的认可
712
00:28:45,318 --> 00:28:47,670
或建议买入
713
00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:51,049
历史结果不代表未来表现
714
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:55,619
本节目中的某些陈述可能为未来展望
715
00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:58,359
及其他基于Arc
716
00:28:58,359 --> 00:28:59,740
当前观点和假设的前瞻性声明
717
00:28:59,740 --> 00:29:04,660
涉及已知及未知风险与不确定性
718
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:10,019
可能导致实际结果、业绩或事件与声明存在重大差异
719
00:29:10,019 --> 00:29:14,440
Arc不承担更新前瞻性信息的义务
720
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,309
Arc及其客户及相关人员可能
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但未必持有讨论中的证券或发行人财务利益
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00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,059
部分信息来源于可信来源
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然而
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Arc不对第三方信息的准确性或完整性作担保